Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Tips for NIMHANS DM Neurology entrance exam preparation


 I managed to secure 6th rank in NIMHANS DM neuro and 2nd rank in PhD neuroscience examination.I took up DM neurology seat.. I m writing this in order to help students to be better prepared for this entrance exam

First , the background.. I graduated from Kasturba Medical College .Mangalore in march 2011 and just finished my internship in march 2012…I was able to score this rank in my first attempt for the course
Here are the few points which I think will help you to succeed..


1. Dream.. as Kalam sir would always say, before you should achieve something big you should dream about it..I started to dream about working in NIMHANS by 3d year end or so..In the sense I’d talk to my friends like, If I go to NIMHANS I d do this that and all..Also make sure you wont forget the dream..My computer password was something related to neurology..so everytime I logged in to my comp in last 2 years I remembered it..

2. Learn from your mistakes…I did not qualify in all india pg exam 2012 or JIPMER exams..this was because I had a hectic Internship and I didn’t mind working and thought pg preparation would start after end of internship..I gave the KCET exam too, had read the previous 5 papers and miraculously same questions appeared and I foolishly raced through the paper in 60 minutes.. didn’t even realize that I had to read a question twice before answering..was the first one to come out of exam hall and I realised my mistake when I got the answer key..so many stupid mistakes I had done just because I thought it was an easy paper..I got some 1600 odd rank..! then I realized no matter how easy questions appear one MUST read them twice, also thinking that exam is easy during exam will actually cause harm …you shouldn’t judge it until you get all the correct answers


3. Prepare in advance..although I had no intention of doing psychiatry I gave the entrance for DPM and PHD neurophysiology in February..It gave me a huge advantage I think..Because the exam pattern and procedure will be same for both sessions for admission..I d say clinical neuroscience aspirants would benefit a lot from giving PhD neurophysiology entrance.. question patterns will be similar..

4. Do not join a job unless there are no other options..I studied at home only..I got extremely desperate by 3 months.. ;) all the saved stipend money was dwindling, some friends had got into PG seats in posh colleges others joined as JRs and were earning quite a lot and I was alone and I had no option but to succeed … this desperation helped me to achieve I think 


5. Always have a back up plan… no matter what happens don’t think it as end of the world..I had prepared very well for aiims june session but didn’t come in the first 500( I got 55%)..that was very disappointing for me..I thought NIMHANS entrance is there..and when NIMHANS exam came near whenever I felt anxious I d say dnb/next aiims is there..so during the exam I had no tension at all. If I didn’t succeed this time ,I d most probably applied for a tutorship in my college by this time..at least that ‘d give me library access!

6. Desire to make quick money and addiction to technology are the most serious roadblocks in path to success in entrance exams..I  left them till I was sure I had succeded..In such a competitive world as ours , for achieving success you  do have to sacrifice these..


7. Having a fixed time schedule helps…I d study from 9 to 5 with only 45 minutes gap in between and then from 8.30 to 11 p m..ya that’s it, I can’t boast of a 16hr schedule  ;)..but when I studied I didn’t think of anything else but the question, the concept and the factual importance. I’d lock my room during study hours..made sure my ‘study ‘room had nothing but books,a table and a chair. No electronic items, no mattress/pillow..No talking with friends.. No distraction. Mental discipline is very important..if you don’t know how to achieve it ,refer to point 6 

8. Now coming to what books I studied..
I started studying 2 days after I completed my internship, luckily my place is near to mangalore only so shifting took only a day. I continuously studied every single day till NIMHANS entrance exam..interrupted only for travelling to aiims exam centre and a bout of fever once..Might look like OCD but I knew every minute I studied would put me a lil’ bit ahead of others…remember it’s a race..If you take a break in between you will fall behind…so once you start DON’T stop..
Initially I prepared for aiims ..I finished amit ashish 2 volumes (2011-2000) and gave one revision also side by side I started few small subjects from across and other question banks like dermatology, psychiatry, ophthalmology and forensic medicine..my seniors had told me PSM was extremely important so I read it from Arvind arora which is very well written..
My 8-11pm session was mainly listening to usmle videos..they help a lot in refreshing biochem, embryology and micro..I used to make notes also during lectures for next day revision..writing down things helps you remember it better..
I started serious neuro revision after may 7(after aiims) …the first and foremost is always neuro-anatomy and embryology…again from usmle videos..that made the further studies much logical and easier to remember..I tried reading Harrisons neurology twice but I m still not confident how much I remember out of it  I bought both the books (omkarnath and neuro integrated by pramod k s) but did not find them useful..I tried solving omkarnath questions without seeing options for  a few papers and then gave up..and by june I started doing pre test series which I think was the best thing I ever did..I did pretest neurology, neuroscience and physiology which gave me a complete review of neurology within 3 wks..I wrote down the explanation and question in a separate notebook whenever I made a mistake..

On text books throughout my mbbs I read only standard textbooks, no guides, shortcut books..for entrance exam I referred Guyton , Harrison and Tripathi whenever I had doubts..

I came online twice a week to give free medpg thrissur online exams. Although many seniors donot believe in  exam without review, I just gave it a try and it worked for me..It gave a good review of psm and pharma with lots of new stuff.. I restricted my online activity to medpg,rxpg,Wikipedia only..how? slow 2g internet over mobile helped me, and I made sure I had no other options!

9. On the day before exam I took the two notebooks which I made and ‘sure success magic’ by ramgopal to Bangalore..was able  to revise my notebooks only..so much for carrying huge books!

10. I read every question twice and even if I had a little doubt I marked them for review..I attempted all 100 questions in both the exams I gave. My thinking was for five seats cut off would be in decimal point differences. If I left a question or made a mistake it wouldn’t really matter which I did as I was already out of race..also my previous exams I learned how to make an educated guess and was able to use it here effectively for few critical questions..I know lot of people will not agree with me but this is what I did…I wouldn’t recommend it for 200-300 question exams or exams where higher no. of seats are available but for NIMHANS this was effective for me that’s it…


11. Coaching…well it’s a personal decision..My primary education was in kannada and in high school I  joined English medium and I learnt to teach myself..I was one of the toppers in sslc exam that gave me confidence that I could do without coaching. My only bout with coaching was in 1st p.u. /11th when I went for IIT coaching..was terrible..both coaching and my performance ;) in 12th/2nd p.u.  I took guidance from class lecturers and was able to get a merit seat in KMC mangalore (cet 200 rank).To cut the long story short, if you are used to coaching then go, if you are not used to it then give self study a try before you go the coaching way.

Well that’s all I have to say, I hope I haven’t been a terrible bore. I d be very happy if this post helps or inspires pg aspirants to achieve more..and to help others to achieve the same …
   
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                                                                                                                            Dr. PawanRaj

UPDATE: Kindly note that I did not give Mch neurosurgery entrance exam as I was not interested in it. Hence I cannot guide you regarding its preparation. This post is mainly directed towards DM neurology entrance preparation.
As of 2014 exam pattern has been changed and there is a single entrance exam. This post is pertaining to exam system which was there in 2012.So I suggest aspirants to contact people who've given new pattern exam for further guidance.

84 comments:

  1. Dr. Pawan,

    Congrats on securing a seat a Prestigious NIMHANS. Appreciate your hard work, discipline, determination and ambition. Particularly liked how you have avoided modern age distractions. This would have definitely helped you stay many steps ahead in the race. Wish you a very successful career in the this noble profession of being a doctor.

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  2. Nice one Pawan.
    A salute to your dream, dedication and hard work.
    Keep on inspiring people!
    Waiting to see more and more success stories from you!

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  3. Congrats Dr.Pawan..
    Dedication Personified.. :)

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  4. hi sir i'm final year student from AP.
    i am interested in neurology.
    so can you please tell me the neurology entrance exam syllabus and pattern.
    what to read for that?

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  5. Dear sarve reddy, it is very important to ask the right questions, I d say you read the post twice before you ask any such questions. I ve tried to explain in brief whatever I read in this blogpost..There is no single guidebook/entrance helper for NIMHANS..as our director says ours is a institute where learning is more than teaching..so the exam paper will be set to single out who can study on their own..

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  6. I must say you had a very positive approach towards your exams...Sir i just wanna know if MCh in neurosurgery after mbbs ...the five year course should have a similar approach ...plus for the year 2013 the online exams are being held on 24 feb 2013...I m completing internship by this feb end.

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    1. Yes . There is a post MBBS Mch neurosurgery course in NIMHANS . In february , entrance will be for psychiatry. DM/Mch exam will be in june because the academic year starts from august for neurology/neurosurgery

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    2. thank you sir... I confirmed this yesterday itself ,i will be giving my exams on 23rd june 2013 in accordance. Sir I am from JJ Hosp in Mumbai... the integrated course of neurosurgery in nimhans has lured me to pursue this dream, I hope your experience in neurology was good ...because i will be dedicating 6 months here on for my entrance mostly on your lines because just like you my internship has been harsh too.
      If its possible for you .. i would like to find if my decision to get into nimhans for neurosurgery would be a right one as far as academics and learning surgical procedures are concerned ,because I am a little skeptical as my seniors say I may spent long duration of my course just observing surgeries rather than doing them myself ...so it would be a huge favour if you can... if possible ask a colleague or peer about this.
      I can then dedicate myself totally with a clear mind.
      thanking you in anticipation...
      will surely keep following your blog for guidance.

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    3. Well decision should be purely yours I cannot influence it..Its definitely more hands on experience here, I think last 2 years of the course its totally inside OT but details I have to ask when I have time to meet neurosurgery residents. Even in first three years I ve seen them doing trauma surgeries and all

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    4. sir wr do i get usmle lecture videos and pretests that u r talking about r harrison pretests or something else?

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    5. its USMLE pretest series published by TMH

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    6. Hi Dr Pawan , I m Ashish from maharashtra .
      Though I m preparing for mch 5yr course I found ur blog too helpful. Thanx a tonn for this blog.
      There are not many sources on guidance for nimhans.
      I am thinking about personally visiting the institute and meeting the candidates selected for privious years mch course. There will be no point in studying without direction for 6months. So what do you think about it?? Will it be helpful?

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    7. Yes ,visiting here would be the best course of action..

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  7. sir, can u please telme wat to study for the 6 year course of mch entrance post mbs

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  8. Congrats sir on securing a seat a Prestigious NIMHANS. sir i wanna ask that ques in neuro exams are only from neurology or they cover all 19 subjects. and neuro question are of very high level (does we have to study any standard neuro book)

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    1. @ divakar : questions will be asked from all 19 subjects with 30-40 pc from neurology and another 10-20 pc from PSM and statistics...about I ve already mentioned what I ve read in the main blogpost

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  9. @ jay : its a 5 year Mch course in NIMHANS not 6 years. I didnot give Mch exam so i m not in a position to answer your queries

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  10. Hi pawan sir, My question is I had a supply in ENT. And my final year marks in 59.88%. Now I am looking to prepare for NIMHANS but they asked for Attempt Certificate.
    Am I eligible to give NIMHANS?

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    1. Sorry I have no idea about this .., kindly contact the academic section and ask them

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  11. wonderful article sir. Sir i've a doubt, how important is psychiatry in DM neuro post mbbs paper? do we hv to gv special stress on psychiatry? or a general preparation for all n a special stress to neurology will suffice?

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    1. No psychiatry was not given any special importance during my exam ...infact more emphasis was on PSM and statistics

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  12. sir lik i hav seen u hav mentioned a lot about usmle videos and pre test series.. kindly telme whr can i find them?? and btw sir are u puneeth isloors clasmate??

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    1. I collected it from my classmates who were preparing for USMLE...yes I m puneeth's classmate

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  13. sir so ur course is also 5 years?? md and dm togethr?/ hows it now?? do u feel they give more importance to dm neuro rather md general medicine??
    because i gues its 3 years md medcne with 2 years DM

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    1. Its a direct DM degree, you wont be getting an MD with this. You have to work in general medicine dept in victoria hospital for 1.5 years and pass an exit test in general medicine. Rest of the 3.5 years its only neurology. Since you will be working as a consultant to MD physicians after the course, the question of inadequate knowledge doesnt arise.. For post MD fellows DM is 3 years not 2..

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  14. ok .. thnkx a lot sir, it was great talkin to u..

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  15. Hello Sir, I was looking for some info on the Neurophysiology Ph.D paper of Nimhans. Since you've given the exam once could you tell me how the questions were generally? were they like the other PG entrance questions? I haven't been able to find out anything much so i'll be very grateful for a reply :)

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    1. Frankly speaking I gave PhD neurophysiology as a prep exam...I remember much of the questions were regarding basic sciences, history of neurology ...clinical questions were not many..

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  16. Sir,
    How different are the Exams of the Mch course from the DM course...
    Can u give an assessment of the syllabus of the Mch course?

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    1. sorry but i didnot give Mch exam,so i dont have any advice..

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  17. your post is a boon..
    i'm too stuck in the terribly busy internship schedule but aim to make it big after it ends..but in the meanwhile your post has definitely given me the must have and must do lists for the race ahead..
    if god and my hardwork permits meet you at nimhans :)

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  18. hello sir :)
    thanx for d blog,i ws just searchin for sm1 who cleared d xm,n i got ur blog :)
    m to finish my intrnship,i didnt study much in mbbs,bt m ready to study for nimhance. Ur blog gv me everythin i need.
    Actully i dnt kw d pattrn of xm,n the mark distribution of diff sunjects... Psych is imp,no doubt,but ,wht r d other subj,which i need to read thoro...?
    Thanx :)

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    1. my exam patterns were similar to All India, you can check Omkarnath to understand pattern but donot read the answers as most of them appear wrong. psychiatry was not given extra preference in DM neuro entrance in my session. what I think is missing is people only read neurology section of Harrison and forget to read other sections. since CNS is the master control system of our body, CNS manifestations of other diseases , explained very well in symptomatology chapters have to be read. Also neurology includes muscle diseases, pediatric genetic diseases and many metabolic diseases which are given in different sections in Harrisons which you should familiarise thoroughly

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    2. sir i did my syllabus at once, nw i want have to revise it, as i hv aiims and pgi in nov, and then i ll hv time for nimahance, sir plz tel me hw should i make my revision plan, bcoz my ultimate goal is dm neuro only..........

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  19. hello sir
    please let me know the syllabus for entrance exam in MPhil neurophysiology conducted by NIMHANS and is there any previous year question paper available for the same.

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    1. sorry I didnot give mphil exam..so no idea about it

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  20. Hey pawan . Its like my dream come out for a guidance for NIMHANS . thanxs a lot . All my queries has been solved except " pre test series " . Can u pls help me in that

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  21. Hi sir,myself im Karthavya.
    Im a 3rd year student from SIMS,Shimoga.
    the above post was helpful but i have to ask this,is it better to start with entrance exam books from now itself?or should i just familiarize with my textbooks?I refer the same textbooks which you have mentioned above.

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    1. I can only tell you what I did, which was reading textbooks thoroughly..depends on your method of studying

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  22. sir,

    can you tell me what books you followed for
    1)medicine
    2)surgery
    3)o&g

    or did you follow individual subjects mcq books

    please reply sir

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  23. I ve already mentioned the list of books in the post...I didnot read individual books for main subjects.I read individual books for short subjects...medicine and surgery mainly prepared from my old notes during mbbs,amit ashish and mudit khanna..

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  24. Dr. Pawan,
    Thank you so much for sharing your experience. i did not give the psychiatry exam this year, will there be any other exam like the ones you said, phd neuro sciences etc. I missed out on the opportunity, i should have attempted it to get experience. Is there any other exam before the dm entrance? Cos, with no neet results yet, i am targeting only pgi and nimhans. I am yet to finish aiims volumes and aipgmee volumes, you said you finished it two times!

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  25. No. only two sessions of exams will be there...one in feb and one in June..all the best!

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  26. namasta pawan anna... I m from ms ramaih coll blore...1st of all thanks so much for inspiring and replying ...
    I m preparing hard for nimhans dm and mch june...
    Hav contacted thameem sir as well and based on both Ur advices i have made a list of must read books ..pls add or delete from this list anna...
    - mk and aa (past 8 yrs becoz 1/3 of paper is general)
    - harrison neurology and symptomatology as U mentioned in comments
    - neuro part from all subjwise books eg.neuroanat,physio,biochem ,neuropath,pharm
    - arvind arora psm
    - Amit ashish surg + schwartz pretest( suggested by thameem sir for Mch)
    - usmle videos which U mentioned
    - sure succes magic ( or roams??)
    - omkarnath book ( i know it has mistakes but it is the only book for previous papers.. alva sir )
    thanks in advance sir ....

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  27. Thanks harsha. I d like to add TMS prestest neurology,physiology and neurosciences for a better understanding. I also had read across series for short subjects

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    1. Dear Dr. Pawan ...could you please tell whether there are any other institutes that offer DM(neuro) after MBBS in india...i shall be thankful

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    2. @ Praveen : as far as I know, NIMHANS is the only institute providing direct DM neuro course

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  28. Thank you so much pawan n congrats on successful entry in to nimhans

    Can I get that tms pretest series online ???

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    1. I got it from one of my friends...probably the ebook version is available somewhere

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  29. I am doing MD radiology, currently in 3 rd year and would be giving my final exams in a weeks time. I am and have always been interested in neurology. I know that i would be eligible for DM neuroradiology but would i be eligible for the post MBBS 5 year DM course?. I would be indebted to you if you tell me (as over the last few years i am getting more and more interested in neurology).
    And what is the stipend like?

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  30. Dear Dr pavel I m not sure about that possibility. you can refer the prospectus or contact the academic section for clearing your query. However Interventional neuro radiology is quite good here.

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  31. congrats sir on ur huge succcess...
    sir can u tell me the current editions of TMS prestest neurology,physiology and neurosciences

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    1. books I referred were physio 10 ed, neurology 5th ed, Neuroscience 4th ed

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  32. hi..will i be able to work in the field of cognitive neurosciences if i do phd in clinical neurosciences

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    1. Yes there is a cognitive neuroscience lab here..you can work in it

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  33. sir what is the stipend for post mbbs DM/MCH resident in nimhans..plz do rply..tnks on advance..

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    1. 46k after deducting taxes in first year..which increases once you become Senior resident

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    2. Hello sir this is ashokvardhanreddy.
      I got 6 in DM entrance...
      I read ur inteview in rxpg many times..ifollowed pretest neuro questions and us mle videos. ...Ver y helpful. thanks a lot.sir...
      I have a doubt. ..Whether they ask any subject questions in counselling or isit only based n rank.......pleas reply

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    3. Congrats ashok..I m very happy that my post was useful to you...there is no interview for dm neurology as far as i know. we didnt have interview last year.where as phd neurosciences candidates had it

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  34. Pawan, you are the example of smarts and dedication! I just wanted to know abt the usmle videos u spoke of! Which one are those? have seen a few their understanding is phenomenal! I dream of life in Mumbai which drives me to read! If possible pls let me know am desperate id say

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  35. dear sir,
    i am a 3rd year mbbs student studying in NHL medical college, ahmedabad, gujarat. i have wanted to do neurosurgery from nimhans since the age of 18 years..
    i know you have already said that since you did not give the MCh neurosurgery exam, you will not be able to guide in that respect, but still, i am writing this because i too have dreamt of nothing but nimhans, but have not started any specific preparation yet.. ur blog inspires me, so i thank u for putting it up :) can u give me an idea as to how many questions are asked in the mch neurosurgery exam and what have been the highest marks scored this year or previous year?
    also, i would like to know what sort of questions are asked in an interview as i have never given an interview in my life...
    i hope to read a reply soon, as it would help me a lot..
    regards,
    divs

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  36. dr pawan sir,
    in 2013 there were only 4 seats in DM neurology.
    how many seats were there in your time?
    also, this year i found out that 9 students were called for Mch neurosurgery (post mbbs)but there are only 3 seats for general category i think.. so how is the admission done?? is it purely on merit or is there an interview? what if someone is 4th or 5th rank, is it safe?
    regards,
    div

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  37. Dear divs,
    4 DM neuro seats are for post MBBS and 6 for post MD candidates, it was same in our time also. kindly refer to prospectus given in NIMHANS website. I think its 3 Mch seats for post MBBS candidates. This and previous year there was no interview for DM/Mch.

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    1. dear sir,
      i referred to the prospectus. information regarding the number of questions,time alloted,number of seats was given . thank you for giving me the right advice. i appreciate it :)

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  38. sir, is it enough to stdy CNS alone for DM Neurology is enough or i hav to study entire medicine??

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  39. Dear Pawan,
    Two questions
    A. Is there cut off for number of attempts? I've written entrance once this year and planning to give it again next year.
    B. I noticed that ranks 1,2 and 3 didn't get selected during your year so i was wondering if there is any additional selection criteria not mentioned in propectus (like number of attempts, domicile etc).

    Thanks and Congrats. :)

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  40. @ravikrishnan : I donot know regarding cut off.
    b) rank 1 and 2 were people who had done/doing MD who had applied under mbbs category during my time hence were not present. one person didnot take the seat. Hence counselling began from rank 4

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  41. first congratulations
    2nd , thanks for sharing your experience, it means a lot to all the aspirants.
    3rd, will work hard to be ur junior..:)

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  42. sir. iwant to know. that when two score equal they calculate attempts so
    so is it ok to give clinical neurology exam as a trial?? if iwant admissions to. same course

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  43. sir just want to know second thing thatt. ug course marks have any affect on ur score I hav read standard books n got avg mark around 65% what was ur scores in ug days
    and thanku for giving us so valuable information!!!

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  44. Thank u very much for the post sir...
    am from AP..interested in Mch direct 5yr course in nimhans....
    Since you are working there I hope you have idea about Mch course too..
    my doubts are....what are the working hours& night duties/week for Mch residents?
    Is it difficult to get a seat for non locals (am from AP& i finished my MBBS from china...
    awaiting your reply..
    Thank u again!

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  45. Dear Sir,
    A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR. Your blog is very helpful. Read todays newspaper which says the exam for DM Neuro is also on March 29-30.Earlier the exam used to be in june.Is it really true that the exam is in march this year??

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  46. sir,
    do we have to write medicine exam at the end of 1 1/2 yrs
    and some ppl are saying that it u r wrtng that with 3yr md medicine pg of bangalore medical college and u hav only one attempt and if you fail that u will be send off without a degree and all... is that true... where is the training for the first year in nimhans or at bangalore medical college...sir pls answer my queries...thank you in advance

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  47. sir,
    1. is it true that dm 5yr course has an exam at the end of 1.5yrs that u hav to write along wit 3yr md medicine students of bangalore medical college... some ppl say that that exam is single attempt exam and if u fail u wil be send off from the college
    2. sir where is the training at the first year bangalore medical college or at nimhans itself..?

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    1. Hi Jithin,
      There is a medicine posting for 1 year in BMC, outside NIMHANS
      There is an exit exam after 1 year posting which you are expected to pass, Its not mentioned as single attempt in our curriculum

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  48. Sir I am student from your college Kmc mangalore batch of 2011.. First of all very inspiring blog.. I am sure it will have a influence on me..I am about to complete my 3rd yr and I had this wish of studying neurosciences even before joining medicine.. Since past few months the urge to make sure I get to study in nimhans has drastically increased n at same time I feel the time is running out... I was even inspired by Safal sir(batch 07) after he took the seat in nimhans this yr.. You must be knowing him.. Sir I want to start now.. In your post you didn't mention how to go bout preparing for the entrance before internship that is during my final yr n also internship..? I am confused what books to study for my final yr.. I ve started Davidson.. I haven't tried Harrison even once.. Sir Plz guide me.. Thank you.. Waiting for your reply..

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  49. Hello anagh,
    During my UG days I concentrated on reading all the basic books required for passing MBBS. Nothing special regarding Neuro Preparation. I d suggest that you contact Safal as he is fresh from preparatory phase!

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